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watching, and we will know in 15 minutes. >> let me bring in meg in the conversation to anne's point, at love the people have discussed the forms and the length of time it would take the jurors to get just through the paperwork and maybe if they have a follow-up question about evidence, but we did not, meg, see any kind of that activity and yet, we are all getting the word a half hour ago that there was a verdict in this case. what is your reaction to the brevity of the time that we are looking at with the jurors deliberating? >> i agree with anne on everything that she just said, because you never know. again, i said yesterday, they would be dealing with this kind of organizing themselves and electing the foreperson and getting the paperwork organized and then today discuss it, so it seems to me they jumped immediately to a conclusion and all 12 have agreed on something. it can be a short verdict acquittal and short verdict death penalty, and we don't know, but all we know is that they were quick to decide. >> yes. and let me bring in our savannah
guthrie who of course has beenle following the cases and the nuances back and forth and this has been explosive with the prosecutor and the defense team go at literally before the cameras and the judge having to pull the people over, but in the final days here, the closing arguments that we heard were powerful many say from the prosecutor who said, listen, you don't make an accident look like a murder. how do we explain this duct tape and three pieces of duct tape that ended up on this child's face? >> and the prosecutor said, who was connected to every piece of evidence in this case. it is one person, the defendant, casey anthony. another effective line i thought from the prosecutor is when she said, look, the defendant wants you to believe everyone else in this case is a liar except for the one person who is the proven liar in this case which again is casey anthony. so i thought that the prosecutors did a good job of streamlining the case, and telling essentially a compelling story of guilt. they had to pull together all of
the various strands. on the other hand, there are a lot of questions about this case. no criminal case is perfect. there are oddities. the forensics aren't as strong as the prosecution would like them to be. >> we don't know the cause of death, and we don't know how caylee anthony died. >> well, the prosecution cannot come in and say how the child died and lots of questions about the sufficiency of the evidence, for example, they found one hair in the trunk of the car which had postmortem banding which is only on the hair of the decomposing body, and some jurors may say why not more dna and they call it the csi-effect, and jurors seeing or feeling there should be more in terms of the forensics than there are. so we are all in legitimate suspense here about what this verdict will be. >> and it has been suspensable from the beginning from when we all reported that the child that
all of us heard caylee anthony was missing and then her mother charged with the murder. let's look at cindy and george anthony this case, because they were brought up over a combined times of a dozen between the two of them, and at the end of the week, cindy anthony attempted to say that she was the person who was on the computer researching chloroform and then presented in court that her work record proved she had lied an actually at work. these are the kinds of things that we have been watching over the weeks of testimony between cindy and her brother lee and who is lying and who is not? >> and that simplifies the jurors and how extraordinary -- >> sorry, savannah, this is casey anthony walking in right now and pretty much some of the same attire and the hair is pulled back and you see her nodding, and we know that the clerk will read the verdict from the jury, and savannah, it is
interesting that you see the young woman, a young mother with the pictures of her cuddling her daughter and then the daughter is missing and she is getting a tattoo and partying and part of the analysis is that the jury would be intrigued who is this person? what kind of mom would do this? >> right. jurors are always curious about the motive, and we always want to remind the prosecutors have no burden to prove motive and they don't have to put on any evidence of motive if they don't want to, and they did in this case, and jurors want to know why? what would lead a young woman like this to deliberately premeditate the killing of her own baby daughter. i think that motive was one of the weaker aspects of the prosecution case. >> why? >> what they argued was consistent with the evidence that she wanted a more care-free lifestyle and a mom too soon,
but on the other hand, it is hard to believe that she goes from being by all accounts a decent mother, and all of her friends knew of the little girl, and it is not like she was trying to hide it and no evidence that she had a new boyfriend who didn't want the child around and the parents doted on this little girl, and she lived at home, and she could have dropped caylee off at the parents any time of the week and there were indications that cindy was tired of caring for her all of the time, but it is not exactly going to add up. i know why the prosecutors ar e argued it, because the evidence is there, but the jurors might look at at her and say, gosh, could she have really premeditated this crime? i mean, i talk to people about this case all of the time, and most people think it is a terrible accident and she covered it up. >> i can't tell you how many times people say, she does not look like a murder, and that is everyday speak and what people say to each other.
let me bring backer ri sander kerry sander, and i think it is amazing how we address the jury, and how one of the pros ecutors step out of the way so that the jury could have a direct eye contact with casey anthony. >> well, i was curious if the defense attorney jose baez re-thought this position to move the defense table on the other sidef of the jury box, because you know there is the prosecution table and the defense table and the jury box here, and they have an angled shot, but the move was to move the defense table here directly across from the jury box so that when the prosecutor linda drane-burdick was talking to the jury, and she walked away and turned her shoulder, then the jury had one place to look and that is directly across right at casey anthony, and they were looking at her as that first
phone call was played. there were a lot of opportunities here for visual and audio aids for both of the sides of this case, and that phone call was a dramatic phone call, because it was the very first phone call of casey short with her mother, and not telling the specifics, and not answering the questions, and keeping up the story at the time that a nanny had taken her child, and so, they were listening to that, and then when linda drane-burdick returned and finished the closing argument the last word they heard, she put up on the monitor a photograph of the tattoo that casey got on her shoulder two weeks after her daughter die d. it said bella vita which means in italian beautiful life, and juxtaposed with that picture is a photograph of casey at a nightclub of casey out dancing taken three weeks or so after her daughter died. it is the 31 days that is the
biggest question throughout all of the case, and from the moment that the investigators began and the moment that the reporters were notified that there was a missing child and that the mother did not notify anybody for 31 days. the story at the time is that she was doing her own independent search, and a nanny had taken her child. at trial they admitted it was made up, and little caylee drown in the backyard swimming pool. we will find out shortly if it is a defense that the jury bought into or bought into the prosecution's claim that this was a first-degree premeditated murder. >> and keep in mind that we are expected to hear this verdict at 2:15, a few minutes from here. but let me bring a back in anne brimner and meg strictlen, and let's talk about the molestation
accusations here and then the photograph of caylee there at the pool enjoying a day in the sun and not then explaining how this child drowned. >> absolutely, if you get up in a opening statement as a criminal defense lawyer, you are making a promise to the jury, that you will prove this and have evidence, and the defense does not have a burden of proof, of course, but if they say they will put up evidence, they better have it, and they didn't. it may have backfired the bombshell theory of the case, and they could not back it up and the case is did casey anthony want to testify or didn't she? and the fact is that she had to because of the lack of evidence, and she couldn't because of all of the lies. >> and kerry has more
information. >> well, jim lichtenstein has just informed me that the forms have been handed to the clerk who will read them to the court. and we are getting close to the moment that we will hear and as much as we have heard that it is 2:15, maybe it is a few minutes earlier or after as we are waiting and we are looking at the pictures of the courtroom. >> also, kerry, we are hearing that an hour after the verdict, the prosecutors are expected to hold a news conference, and we will likely hear from some of the members of the jury who could speak to the media publicly following this verdict that is being read. let me go back to meg strickler and many people have commented on this seven women and five men and whether somehow that would play a role in this verdict, because you have got more women on this jury than men. what are you saying?
>> i do think that women are more administratively oriented and detail-oriented and in this case, there are a lot of details missing so it helps the defense that there is a lot of women on there, and the negative for defense is that women are mothers and some of them have children, and when ever you have a child, and you see a 2-year-old, you think, oh, my gosh, how could you ever mistreat a 2-year-old, they can barely talk and just out of diapers and they are so precious, how can you hurt them? so it goes both ways. detail oriented which helps the defense, but i think that they are more for the prosecution, and again, they are death-qualified so that the whole jury is more prosecutorially oriented in this case. we will see in a few minutes. >> yes. let me bring back savannah guthrie, and what are you thinking is the most compelling and strongest thing we have heard from casey anthony's defense and which included like the prosecution a list of experts. we heard a lot from the experts. >> i in they the defense's
strategy was at the best when the defense lawyer was pointing out the evidence that wasn't there. the facts that we don't know about how the little girl died and no prosecution witness could say with certainty even with the duct tape they theorize was the murder weapon and placed over the nose and the mouth, and no prosecution witness could say with certainty that was true. and the same with the forensics when we talk about the hair that was found in the trunk of the car and when the defense was pointing out, why isn't there more there? i thought that was effective. some of the science, is on the outer limits of what has been admitted in court before in terms of the air samples taken from the trunk of the car that the prosecution expert witness dr. arpad vass said was consistent with the decomposition. that is when the defense was at the best and they had a lot to work with and this is not one of the cases that is overwhelming in terms of the forensics and this is stronger
circumstantially, and frankly some of the strongest prosecution evidence was casey anthony, herself, her behavior and the demeanor after the child died. it is just hard to come up with an explanation that is consistent with innocence. >> let's talk about the options for the jury, because as you have pointed out and i have pointed out about this case what will happen if she is convicted of the first-degree murder, that would then turn into the prosecution that her attorneys recommended the death sentence here. >> and for folks who have not watched one of these before, if you get a first-degree murder conviction, we go to a second phase of the trial which is a bifurcated process, and one part of the trial is about guilt only, and we have been through the guilt part of the trial. and the second part is the penalty phase. you only get to the penalty phase if there is a first-degree murder conviction, and in the penalty phase the only issue is to be put to death or put life in prison without possibility of
parole and then a new trial starting with opening statements and witnesses and closing arguments, and the way it works in florida the prosecutors would present aggravating circumstances and specific things in the law that you could basically look at it like reasons that make this crime egregious and worthy of the death penalty, and then the defense can present what they call mitigating evidence. >> here we go, savannah, the clerk is about to read the verdict. i believe we can listen in now. you may be seated. let the record reflect that the defendant is present along with counsel for the defendant. both sides ready to proceed? it has been brought to my attention that the jury has reached a verdict. state? >> the state is ready to proceed, your honor. >> defense? >> defense is ready. >> to those in the gallery, please do not express any signs is of approval or disapproval upon the reading of the verdict.
let's return the jury. and we heard the judge call the jury back inside, and this judge is running a tight ship, and 2:15 we were told and here we are, savannah. >> he has tried hard in the trial to not waste the juror's time, if he can hem it, and he is like a swiss train, and he will be on time if he can help it. the jurors are coming inside, and being seat and as we understand it, the jurors will read the verdict to the judge, and he will read it himself, and pass it to the clerk to publish it, which is to say it out loud and then i expect each juror to be polled. >> the state recognizes the
will the defendant rise along with counsel. madam clerk, you may publish the verdicts. >> thank you, judge. in the circuit court for the 9th judicial circuit in orange county, florida, state of florida versus casey marie anthony as to case 2008, the f-15606-0, as to the charge of first-degree murder, verdict as to count one, we the jury find the defendant not guilty, so say we all dated in orlando, orange county, orlando, 5th day of july, signed foreperson. as to the charge of aggravated child abuse, verdict as to count two, we the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all dated orlando, orange
county, florida, this 5th day of july 2011, signed foreperson. as to the charge of aggravated manslaughter of a child, verdict has to count three, we the jury find the defendant not guilty, so say we all, dated at orlando, orange county, florida, this 5th day of july 2011. signed foreperson. as to the charge of providing false information to a law enforcement officer verdict as to count four, we the jury find the defendant guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officer as charged in the indictment. so say we all dated orlando, orange county, florida, this 5th day of july, 2011, signed foreperson. as to the charge of providing false information to the law enforcement as to count five, we the jury find the defendant guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officer as charged in the indictment, so say we all, dated orlando, orange county, florida,
this 5th day of july, 2011, signed foreperson. as to the charge of providing false information to a law enforcement officer, the verdict as to count six, we the jury find the defendant -- sorry, we the jury find the defendant guilty of providing false en formation to a law enforcement officer as charged in the indictment so say we all dated orlando, orange county florida this 5th day of july 2011, signed foreperson. as to the charge of providing false information to a law enforcement officer, verdict as to count seven, we the jury, find the defendant guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officer as charged in the indictment so say we all dated orlando, orange county, florida, this 5th day of july, 2011, signed foreperson. >> madam clerk, you may poll the jury. >> yes. >> juror number one, was this
the true and correct verdict. >> yes. >> number two? >> yes. >> number two is this the true and correct verdict? >> yes. >> and juror number three? >> yes. >> and juror number four? >> yes. >> and juror number five, were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> and juror six, were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> and juror number seven, were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> juror eight, were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> juror nine? >> yes. >> juror ten, were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> juror 11, were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> and juror 12, were these your true and correct verdicts? >> yes. >> judge. >> will counsel and the defendant approach the podium.
not all of the counsel, but just a representative sample. casey marie anthony, a jury of your peers have found you not guilty as to the charge contained in count one of the indictment, murder in the first degree, at this time, i will judge you to be not guilty. as to count two, the crime of aggravated child abuse, a jury of your peers has found you to be not guilty, and the court will ajudge you to be not guilty of the crime contained in count two. as to count three, aggravated manslaughter of a child, a jury of your peers having found you not guilty, i will ajudge you to be not guilty of that count.
as to counts four, five, six and seven, providing false information to a law enforcement officer, i will ajudge you to be guilty of those counts in order that you be fingerprinted here in open court at this time. it has to be in open court. there we have it, the judge making it official i think that we are going to start off with you, savannah, that you have been following this like kerry
sanders not guilty of aggravated child abuse and aggravated manslaughter as well and only guilty on the false information to law enforcement, and what are you making of this decision to the jury in 10 hours? >> a wholesale stunning rejection of the prosecution's case. >> mr. baez and mr. mason? will you be prepared to go sentencing? go to sentencing thursday or friday of this week? >> thursday. >> okay. then we will set sentencing thursday at 9:00 a.m. in this courtroom. okay. any other matters that we need to take up at this time? >> nothing from the state, your honor. >> ladies and gentlemen of the jury, on behalf of the citizens of the ninth judicial circuit, i
would like to express my sincere thanks and appreciation for your service as jurors. you all are residents of pinellas county, florida, and we came over there, met with you, questioned you, and took you away from your families for a very extended period of time. and for that, i say thank you. as i told you when i first spoke with you in talking about jury service, that one of the most important obligations of citizenship in my opinion was service on a jury. i told you it was very important that if we believed in that constitutional provision, that provision that provides a right to trial by jury, that it was important for people to serve no
matter what that sacrifice would be. as you can tell by some of the questions that some folks answered, a lot of people did not want to serve. and you knew it would be a hardship. and you were candid with the attorneys. you answered all of their questions, and you served, and for that, we thank you. of some special privileges enjoyed by jurors. no juror can ever be required to talk about this discussions that occurred in the jury room except by court order. for many centuries, our society has relied on juries for decision of difficult case, and we have recognized for hundreds of years that the jury deliberations and questions and
votes may remain their private affairs as long as they wish it, therefore, the law gives you a unique privilege not to speak about your jury work. although, you are libber t eert speak with anyone about your deliberation, you are also at liberty not to discuss with anyone either your verdict or the deliberations coming from those who are simply curious or from those who might seek to find fault with you. from the media, from attorneys, elsewhere. it is up to you to decide whether to preserve your privacy as jurors. again, thank you. you are hereby discharged, and i will see you shortly right back in the jury room. thank you. >> all rise for the jury. obviously the question everyone wants to know at this
point is how much time does casey anthony face now that she has been found guilty of providing false information no the law enforcement? >> well, four counts she was convicted of for false information and each of those counts carries a max of one year in prison and theoretically, the judge could order it consecutively. >> you see casey anthony embracing jose baez, the lead attorney, and she is comforted by the defense team while it is ongoing, and cindy and george anthony left the courtroom. they from the observers watching this remained stone faced, and we saw a lot of tears from cindy anthony from testifying, but you see that this is that defense team that convinced the jury that young mother at least there was not evidence. >> well, i was going to say, or maybe the more correct way to put it and we will have to hear from the jurors is that the prosecutors failed to convince the jurors that this was an intentional murder, and i should just say about the sentence that
theoretically, a maximum of four years, and remember, she has been incarcerated for several years and it could be time serve and if she got off for good behavior and we don't know how long she may serve in prison if at all, because the judge could also sentence her and say that those sentences could be served concurrently, and it is one year and you have served the time. >> they look at her prior past and no criminal past. >> well, she does have convictions for a fraud, and check writing kind of thing, but nothing violent in her past. wow, a real stunner, and as i said before, a total rejection of the prosecution's case. jurors had a lot of options here. >> they did. second-degree murder and manslaughter and even child abuse and straight charge of child abuse, and it appears that the verdict a, they had reasonable doubt as to whether any of this was true or b, they may have actually believed the defense theory that it was an accident. >> and let me bring in kerry
sanders and first, kerry, paint a picture of what you are seeing outside of the courtroom. i know that people have been literally fighting to get inside ther there. >> reporter: a stunned jaw-dropping moment. i would say that based on the facts that most people had a lot more evidence and a lot more story and a lot more information than the jury, they came to the conclusion that she was guilty and that the jury would come with no other conclusion than guilty and there was a lot of expectation that it was either guilty of first degree premeditated murder or manslaughter, but simply something more than lying to police officers. you know, the prosecution will be reviewing this, i know, for a long time, because they had more than 25,000 documents in this case that they could have used. they streamlined the case and used what they thought was the most effective evidence.
and now they will go back and wonder about the things that they had that they chose not to use. another interesting point is that remember, a lot of people who watched this play out on television, and they had a conclusion based on what they saw on television, but if you remember very often we reported that the jury was not in the room during portions of the discussions in the courtroom. which means that they, the folks heard more than the jurors heard. so, it will clearly explain, i think to some extent why the jurors reached the conclusion they reached versus what a lot of people thought they thought that the jury was going to conclude here. as you heard, we have a room set up on the 23rd floor and i'm going to head up there in a couple of minutes to have a chance to talk to the jurors. it is sort of an organized setting here. we are not sure whether one or all of the jurors will sit and talk to us. but i think that there were a fair amount of questions that we
are going to have which is really what was it about this state's case that was not compelling enough for them, because i have to say, i listened to this case, and i think that the state did a very good job, and i thought that jose baez the defense attorney who was not as accomplished and has not spent as much time in the courtroom put on the best case that he could. many legal experts criticized him from the very moment of the opening statement that he had gone too far, and he had promised the jury he would prove something them. that there was an accidental drowning and that george, the father had helped cover it up and that roy kronk the man who discovered the remains in the woods, the roy kronk was somehow a morally bankrupt individual who was trying to profit off of the growing reward money for the disappearance of caylee anthony, and then we heard as the defense
presented the case over these month-long days, 33 days, we heard that jose baez did not have that exact information, and he was unable to elicit testimony on the stand to present his case, but again, it was not the defense's case to prove, but it was the prosecution's case to prove, and it appears that the jury listened to this, and their conclusion is that the prosecution did not prove that she was guilty of murder. >> all right. kerry, as you pointed out that the jurors in the casey anthony trial will be speaking here, and just as compelling certainly as the verdict is how they came to this decision. that will be the next step, and savannah is here with me, and so thursday -- go ahead, kerry. sorry? >> i want to throw one thing out. when i was listening to the closing in the courtroom on sunday i noticed juror five who is a woman with gray hair in her
60s and she has three children and i noticed that when jeff ashton was delivering his closing argument, she did not look at him. she even tapped a pen on her knee as if, you know, hurry up, get this over with. now, on the second day of closing when the state came back, she did look at jeff ashton and look at linda drane-burdick, but i thought it was a curious sign at this moment, and in fact, i am wondering if that is the one juror who would not lean toward the state, and of course now we know it was all of the jurors. >> and let me quickly get anne bremner and meg strickler since they have been kind to stick around here and get their reactions to the verdict. anne, i will start off with you. >> i am looking behind us, because it is a scene back there and balloons and people congregating everywhere. i always thought this could be a case where the defense could have the advantage because it is a reasonable doubt case, and the
saying to the jury, do you know how she was killed? do you know how she did it? and that is our judgment basis and jose baez was undersold in the trial, and admirable job in the closing and he is and everyman lawyer and jury lawyer and the jurors came up with the decision that they rendered today. >> and meg, it is interesting speaking of jose baez in the close, because he said they gave you two weeks of testimony that was completely irrelevant, and served one purpose and that is to paint casey anthony as a slut and party girl who lied and it has nothing to do with how caylee died. and strong language, but he obviously knew the direction he was going in with this jury? >> and it worked. it worked. you know what, i think that jose has had some good days and bad days throughout the trial, but i felt his compassion at the end of the closing argument yesterday. or sunday, because it was amazing and when you connect like that with a jury, it
doesn't matter what happened days before. i know that jose connected with me and i'm a defense lawyer and i know he connected because i do this for a living as a defense attorney, and that helped, but as i said over and over that we had no idea how she died. who last saw her? your basic csi stuff, and they had junk science and weird science and air science and the garden lady and all kinds of interesting characters in the trial. that is why i knew that no matter what they could not convict with the death penalty. yes, some strong stuff needs to be there for the death penalty. and it is our criminal justice system and it worked today and that is what our system is, 12 jurors listening to the evidence and then taking into consideration and then issue a verdict and that is what happened here. >> and savannah, on the charges of providing false information to law enforcement, and how does that gel with everything that we have seen? i mean, are we looking at not
having told them the information that she had available to them in the 31 days that the child was missing? >> oh, yes. i mean -- >> the list is on and on? >> well, absolutely. that is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and i mean, i would have went out on the limb and predicted a guilty verdict on that, and there were recordings of her lying about the child being with the nanny and she has acknowledged that the nanny never existed and clear she would be convicted on these counts, but i guess it comes down to the jurors for this issue of reasonable doubt. sf they do talk to reporters and we hope they do, because we want to know what they were thinking, we will get a sense of whether they were believing the defense theory or believed it was an accident or whether they just said, you know what, there are too many questions here and we cannot convict. reasonable doubt is one of the most powerful concepts in the criminal jurisprudence, and jurors take it very seriously. >> and obviously so in that you
can have a jury believe or say that, listen, she is guilty of not being honest, and she lied, but that doesn't mean she is guilty of the other three far more serious charges, one of which could not have led to death penalty. >> it does not mean they liked her either. >> and that is what jose baez said in the close, it is not about liking her, and if you hate her and think she is lying and a quote no good slut then you will look at the evidence in a different light, but this is not about her likability. was it a wise decision in the end here not to put casey anthony on the stand, because there were days upon days that people wondered that out loud and you talked about it? was it the right move? >> well, she got essentially a straight acquittal on the most serious charges, and it was wise to not put her on the stand, and had they it would have boiled down to like her and whether they believed her version of the events and that version would have been challenged for days by the prosecutors who know this
case, and know the evidence inside and out. these prosecutors were very professional and they are very experienced, and they put on a very tight case, but they are only as good as the evidence that they have, and there were gaps in evidence. and you know, it may not be that the jurors not only liked casey anthony, but in fact, we may hear that they are the deeply suspicious of casey anthony, but they could not bring themselves to convict her of these murder charges beyond a reasonable doubt. what is astonishing about the verdict is one or two say, ah, for me, i can't get there, and here, they dispensed with it quickly. they didn't agonize over there. feels like they walked back there in the jury room and looked at each other and said, do you think they have proven it? me neither, and dressed up for court prepared to give the verdict. >> and you have spoken about the possibility of some of the jurors seeing this as an accident, and maybe she didn't premeditate and go out to kill her child, but maybe there was
something to this accident theory that it happened and a lot of people had questions about that. >> yes, a lot of people do suspect that there was negligent or accident or something that ultimately led to her disposing of the body, and that is all well and good, but it is not going to cut it in a court of law, and if the jurors were looking at each other and saying, we don't know how it happened. i thought that the finest moment for the defense attorney in the closing argument was something that he said on sunday. he said, if you are not certain how it happened, then that's all you need to know. it may have come down to that very thing. >> now, we are looking at the room where the jurors, we see, and if that is accurate, they may all participate in some part of this news conference where they will explain the verdict that all of us are kind of giving an analysis of but we don't know how they came to the conclusion of. and kerry sanders is by the way, headed to -- well, he is with us now, i'm told. kerry, we are waiting for the jurors, but i'm curious for the reaction, because we are showing a few aerial shots of the
courthouse and people were all over that place. we know that this is turning into the daily routine of watching this case and considering themselves at-home attorneys. >> yes, a lot of productivity of america was lost in the trial, because a lot of people were tuning in. one of the reactions down here at the sandwich shops was amazing because people were crying because they could not believe what they heard, and so many people felt invested in this and connected to little caylee who they learned about in this trial, but people traveled from not just around the united states to be here, but around the world. i met a woman who came here from birmingham, england. i'm told in the next couple of minutes that this shot that we are looking at that room where we have the seats set aside for the jurors that we are first going to be visited by the defense attorney. jose baez and cheney mason and dorothy clay stems and they will explain the reaction and tell us
how they felt waiting for the jury to come back, and i do know from conversations with jose baez, he said that he did his best job that he could. his job was to raise the idea of reasonable doubt, and he was quite frankly uncertain of how he did, as i think that most lawyers would be but when i talked to him in the waiting game he said that it was a moment. he was now waiting for the next moment, and we have now reached that where the jury has come back and we will see actually whether they are surprised by the response or not by the jury here. >> and we were showing location of video where like many places, people were watching the verdict, and over the weekend people were showing n ining up area where caylee's body was found and they placed balloons and stuffed animals saying justice for caylee and going back to the very wooded area
where her little remains were found. >> to the point that it became a problem. . and the local community here had the county go out to put up no parking signs. i see that jose baez and attorney stems and cheney mason all getting ready to sit down and address us. cheney mason is the veteran lawyer among the team. jose baez is not as experienced, and in fact, he did not have the credentials to handle a death penalty case when cheney mason came in. people are walking up to the cameras. >> i'm dorothy stems and i'm thankful for today's verdict on behalf of casey anthony. and on behalf of all of the people who stand behind me, and i would ask them to name their names, please. >> coreen. >> william. >> michelle ma dena. >> elizabeth friar. >> janine.
>> shakima. >> sherry mason. >> diana. >> well, i hope that this is a lesson to those of you who have been indulged in media assassination for three years, bias and prejudice and incompetent talking heads saying what would be and how to be. i'm disgusted by some of the lawyers who have done this, and i can tell you that my colleagues from coast to coast and border to border have condemned this whole process of lawyers getting on television and talking about cases that they don't know a damn thing about and don't have the experience to back up their words or the law to do it. now, you have learned a lesson. and we appreciate the jury. those of you who have been objective and professional, we like it. others, we are going to be talking to again. thank you very much.
>> i want to start off by saying that while we are happy for casey, there are no winners in this case. caylee has passed on far far too soon, and with my driving force has been for the last three years has been always to make sure there has been justice for caylee and casey, because casey did not murder caylee. it is that simple. and today, our system of justice has not dishonored her memory by a false conviction.
i want to thank everyone who stood behind me and supported me through this time and especially the man who took me under his wing and made sure that i stayed focused and that we continued to work hard and that we continued to fight and battle. and it's really dish really do have mixed feelings over the whole situation for those facts. this case has brought on new challenges for all of us, challenges in the criminal justice system, challenges in the media, and i think that we should all take this as an opportunity to learn and to
realize that you cannot convict someone until they have had their day in court. we have the greatest constitution in the world, and if the media and other members of the public do not respect it, it will become meaningless, and today, and yesterday on the 4th of july, there was a breath of life in it. and i also want to acknowledge the prosecutors who worked hard for justice as well. they are a fine group of prosecutors. linda drane-burdick is an
incredible adversary. and i think that she certainly is one of the best lawyers i have ever seen. frank george also was a very important member of that team that really held them together, and made them very cohesive, a cohesive unit, and mr. ashton is a fierce opponent, and i think that all three of them served the state of florida very well. as i said, i'm not as -- i'm very happy for casey. i'm ecstatic for her and i want her to be able to grieve, and
grow and somehow get her life back together. i think that this case is a perfect example of why the death penalty does not work. and think twice about a country that decides to kill its own citizens. murder is not right who does it, whether it is a ritual killing or someone becoming a victim in a driveby shooting. it is disgusting. and if this case gets any attention i think should be on
this issue that we need to stop trying to kill our people. the best feeling that i have today is that i know that i can go home and my daughter will ask me, what did you do today? and i can say i saved a life. [ speaking foreign language ] as you see there casey anthony's defense team, jose baez now speaking spanish and you can obviously hear that, but savannah guthrie is with me, and cheney mason is no love loss for the legal analysts and what he says is the public who started to see this woman as guilty before the facts were laid out. jose baez talking about the death penalty, and they are using this opportunity not to say if they were surprised by the verdict or anything, but the
rail -- >> settling some scores. >> well, think about it, they have had to listen to everybody second-day quarterback them for weeks and weeks when they tried this case and they could not help themselves to indulge against those who were second-guessing the strategy here, and those next analysts will spend the next days and weeks talking about whether this verdict was a function of a brilliant defense team or brilliant defense strategy or the weakness of the evidence in the case. if we hear from the jurors, and i sure hope we do, we may have a better idea of what ultimately swayed them sglcht ithem. >> and it is interesting what jose baez said that casey anthony did not kill her daughter, but not speaking about the drowning theories and all of the things that he naturally introduced and people will wonder about and point out until the next interview that casey anthony gives to whomever or if they give interviews which likely will come. >> you wonder what casey anthony returns to when she does get out of prison assuming she is
sentenced to some amount of time, and she may get credit for time served as has been talked about, but look, with the defense strategy, definitely was damaging to members of her family. >> absolutely. >> in open courtroom through her attorney accused her father and brother of molesting her and suggested it was the mother who suggested that she left the ladder on the backyard pool that led to the drowning. >> and it was her father who covered up the drowning, itself. >> and it is going to be interesting to see if she returns to the life she had over there living with the anthony home on hopespring drive, and one rather doubts it. >> and waiting to hear here from the jury involved in this, and if you listen to the legal analysts and savannah, certainly, included, people are stunned by this. you know, kerry sanders said that at this diner people started crying. crying when this verdict, and i'm not suhuure tears of joy or anger.
>> right. well, this is one of the cases where there is a real disconnect between people who are watching or hearing about it, and watching it on of the and watching the commentary versus those actually sitting inside of the courtroom and those charged with having to determine this woman's fate. i mean, it is one thing to talk about a criminal case like this around the kitchen table with your friends to speculate about it, and it is quite another to be a member of a 12-person panel who actually carries this life and death decision. so that is one thing to remember. and the jurors also that the evidence they heard and the information they had was curtailed to a certain degree. there is issues of admissibility and not everything that the rest of us out here know about the case came before the jurors. >> right and they have been sequestered which is going to be fascinating as they learn details that they were not privy to prior to this. back to kerry sanders and quite
a scene at the courthouse, and quite a few people there, and we are curious about the whereabouts of george and cindy anthony, and they left court early. not sure if you have an update on them, but what are you seeing outside of the orlando courthouse? >> well, the attorney for mark littman who represents george and cindy anthony had said that when the trial was over that they may make a few comments without taking any questions or they may just issue a statement. that has not happened yet. we do not believe they have left the courthouse yet. the folks that i think that are getting the cameraman's tape, and you may have it available of the reactions in the deli right at the courthouse, the aghast response by those in there when this was read. they were watching it on tvs and listening to the words, and actually processing what they were hearing because so many people expected to hear something else. the general sense, i think based on the amount of messages that i
have received from viewers on twitter, on e-mails and text messages from those who have my phone numbers is that they just did not see this coming. that speaks for the difference between seeing every single piece of this case over three years na s and in the last mont everything that happened and the jurors seeing only what they saw, and they saw a different case than the people at home saw. tamron. >> yeah, kerry, and you are right to point that out as savannah has said as well, it is one thing when you are watching this at home, and it is another when you have the responsibility of determining if someone faces the death penalty, and in that, that is the great thing obviously that we keep saying about this country is our system and how we judge one another in the courtroomcourtrooms, but ke is this case so fascinating to people? you have been on the ground in orlando, and what are some of
the things that you were hearing that caused this tome liter lit get into fistfights to try to get one of the 50 seats in the courtroom. >> fistfights out side of the courtroom and people from around the world, and people there germany and japan that it was captivating them as much as our country, and why? because here you have a 22-year-old woman when this happen and now 25-year-old woman, and a 2-year-old little girl who was just beginning to speak and her life was ahead of her and then this just really inexplicable 31-day period. she is gone and her mother says nothing for 31 days. anybody who is a parent and all who are not parents understand it just does not go down that way. a child is missing in a department store and within 30 seconds to a minutes to when the mother or father cannot find their child, it is a full-on alert and scrambling around and security is called and people
going through coat racks to see if there is a child hiding down there, so to treat this 31-day period brought everybody to the table scratching their heads, and if you remember when the detectives first met casey anthony, and they treated her as the victim that her daughter was missing, and they believed or wanted to believe that story that there was a nanny who took her, but within 24 hours, they had her in a room in an interrogation room at what she said was her employer over at universal studios, and they were grilling her hard. first it was good cop/bad cop and then all real tough hard questioning that if there was an accident, tell us. if there was a drowning, tell us. if there was something else, tell us. she held to the story, and never broke. and you know the prosecution called her a world class liar, and i guess that does not survive anymore, because she has been acquitted on those charges, but the bottom line is that there is a perception out in the
community that is different than what the jury came back with. i hope that we see all 12 jurors decide they want to talk. these are folks who are going to have to return to their workplaces and some of them want to remain anonymous and they don't want anybody to know they participated in this case. but, if they speak to the public, i think that maybe we will get a better insight and better understanding of how they have reached this conclusion so quickly within 11 hours. >> all right. kerry and savannah, i'm so curious about whether the jurors do speak how they feel seeing that picture of casey anthony partying and smiling while her daughter was missing and that tattoo that translated to beautiful life. this is the image that was shown in closing arguments, and this is a part of the picture that prosecutors tried to paint, and asking the question that they said this, whose life is better without caylee, so to speak, and who would benefit with this child no longer being there, and the direct words were at the end of this case, all you have to
ask yourself is who's life was better without caylee, this is your answer. and this is a part of what they presented. so i'm curious what the jurors will say how they reconciled those images and the portrayal of casey anthony. >> well, as i said before, it may be that the jurors are deeply suspicious of casey anthony and they don't like her one bit, and they don't think that there is anything innocent in the way she behaved in the days following the child's death, but jurors in my experience are very serious about the law that they are given. the jury instructions, and they will look hard at what the law asks them to do. i was reading through some of the counts that they were asked to consider here. all of them require even a manslaughter charge, requires jurors to believe that casey anthony caused the death of her child. if they were to believe that, they probably asked themselves
how? how did she do it? and if they were not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt how she killed the child, they did not feel they could convict her of any of the charges including the straight child abuse charges, and they did not convict on that. again, until we hear from the jurors we don't know whether they were buying into the defense theory it was an accident or bought into the whole claim that she was molested by her father and her brother, or whether they simply have strict proof. >> let me bring in anne brimner and meg strictlen. what would you like to hear from this jurors? >> think about the dominic strauss-kahn case, and everybody has a right to look at the facts out there, and like cheney mason said, we are the talking heads, and as tom mesereau said